[JohnNP]

I see that Intuit are clinging to the fiction that T2 internet filing is not basic by refusing to have that capability in the T2 basic package. (Ignoring for the moment that all versions are overpriced anyway).

Not only is this view not shared by all professional Tax preparers under the age of 90 years old , it is no longer a view shared by the Federal Government.

Draft legislation says:
"That, for taxation years that end after 2009, corporations that meet conditions prescribed by the Minister of National Revenue be required to file the return of income required to be filed under section 150 of the Act by way of electronic filing."

It goes on to say that after 2010 penalties apply for those that dont file electronically.

So is Intuits motivation ignorance, wilful blindness, or simply Greed?

The "digital age" is no longer new, folks.
When the Government overtakes you, you know you must be slooow ;)

[dunner]

JohnNP, on Jan 28 2009, 08:27 AM, said:

I see that Intuit are clinging to the fiction that T2 internet filing is not basic by refusing to have that capability in the T2 basic package. (Ignoring for the moment that all versions are overpriced anyway).

Not only is this view not shared by all professional Tax preparers under the age of 90 years old , it is no longer a view shared by the Federal Government.

Draft legislation says:
"That, for taxation years that end after 2009, corporations that meet conditions prescribed by the Minister of National Revenue be required to file the return of income required to be filed under section 150 of the Act by way of electronic filing."

It goes on to say that after 2010 penalties apply for those that dont file electronically.

So is Intuits motivation ignorance, wilful blindness, or simply Greed?

The "digital age" is no longer new, folks.
When the Government overtakes you, you know you must be slooow ;)

Couldn't agree more. I've made the same point in other postings that electronic filing for T1's and corporate returns should be viewed as a "basic" requirement. It's time for Intuit to rethink the positioning of the T2 program.

[unknown]

JohnNP, on Jan 28 2009, 01:27 AM, said:

prescribed by the Minister of National Revenue be required to file the return of income required to be filed under section 150 of the Act by way of electronic filing."

It goes on to say that after 2010 penalties apply for those that dont file electronically.

So is Intuits motivation ignorance, wilful blindness, or simply Greed?

The "digital age" is no longer new, folks.
When the Government overtakes you, you know you must be slooow ;)

I guess that is a sad comment on a product that not long ago was a market, and technology leader...

[Easter1]

Bert,

Firstly, I apologize to fellow desginated professionals for the next comment, but here when the shoot fits...


I tend to agree (yes I agree with you)!

WOW!!!!! After such significant event, THE 2009 BUDGET, talk here is not of it implications, but instead of the short falls of profile.

Bring on the bells and whistles, the bookkeepers here need the help!

Spelling mistakes aside (we all make them), the software does Add, it has not gone up in price significantly is the past couple of years (as a mechanic about how their tools have gone up in price) it prints correctly, and when you purchase the 'accountant's version' not the bookkeepers version it does efile!

So, suck it up and where is the discussion of the current budget?

Easter

PS, This is to the members of this board, if you don't stop whining pretty soon there will only diy'ers here! Have a good season, you might have just seen my last posting!

[dunner]

Let me wade into this, Easter. Yes, the program adds, subtracts, and does most things very well. I'm generally very pleased with the software. However, the electronic filing for T2's isn't so much a "bell or whistle". It's a feature that has real definable advantages (getting confirmation that a return has been received, tremendously quicker assessments, paper reduction, etc.). These are advantages that make happier clients and therefore happier accountants. Given the fact that CRA is moving us all (bookkeepers and "accountants") to efiling, isn't that a sign that it should be a feature generally included (like the bar code on the first page of the T1)?

There have been more of what you would call "whiner" posts recently but these are, for the most part, posts that are pointing out errors in the first versions of this year's software. If Intuit doesn't choose to check the spelling, for example, shouldn't someone point out some of these errors? I don't want to give a client a form that has some basic spelling errors. That's not whining. And yes, we DO all make mistakes. But there shouldn't be a problem pointing these out.

I think this is a great forum for things like your requested budget discussion. Why not start one? There's no reason why that can't be going on at the same time as discussions about Profile's features.

[Easter1]

Kevin,

If anyone was interested in discussing 'Professional' issues, then they would have already done so.

Instead, this group seems to be content to squat on Intuit's board and complain about Intuit!

Yes I know the product is not perfect, so be it, caseware isn't, tax prep isn't, visual tax isn't, none of them are!

The strip down version of the product is lacking certain services, I for one am not bothered, you get what you pay for.

But, ... forget it, way too much time spent here. Good Luck with seeking your bells and whistles, I for one will continue with Profile and work with short comings as long as it adds and efiles!

Remember, what the DIY'ers say, you don't really need an accountant, all the bells and whistles on those programs ensure that everything is filed correctly (Helga, that deceased return).

Good Luck all!

Easter,

No I have not migrated to another board, I have just come to the realization that 'Batman Joe' was correct maybe some of the 'professional accountants/bookkeepers' should seek out a PDA!

Have a good season! :D

[unknown]

ok....

for what that was worth....

trying to step into my role, Easterbunny, as Intuit defender number one?


Did not think I was overly critical...

[unknown]

Oh yeah, for what it is worth, Easterbunny,

What is stopping you from updating the CRA news on this Board....

I have been doing it for a few years, and seems like for nought, as, apparantly no one misses it, or else they would have filled in the gap by now....

Including Mrs. Bunny's favorite sun Easter!

For what it is worth, Easterbunny, read what it says on the headline:

Please remember this is a user-to-user community that relies on member participation. We encourage you to ask questions AND share your own thoughts, experience and advice.

[Easter1]

"Roberta",

Careful with the name my gave me! It is Easter.

Remember Intuit has defended itself by producing a timely and accurate product. The filing season has not even begun around here!

In reference to the Greenpoint days, the only really technological advance since has been Vista....

Bert, you are right, no one misses you, because there a very few designated accountant present here anymore! It seems any real tax talk has vanished.

Have a good season y'all!

Easter

[JohnNP]

I guess my thread has now been well and truly hijacked :(

Profile website (under the T2 tab) says:
"ProFile Basic is professional tax software which features a long list of time-saving, productivity-enhancing features, including auto-updates, carry forwards, EFILE, unlimited returns and free technical support"

However this appears not to be true?

If Intuit has added efile/internet file to T2 basic in the latest release, perhaps somebody from Intuit would be kind enough to inform us if the product capabilities agrees with the published advertising claims or not?

[Easter1]

You are right it has!

As usual!

[JohnNP]

JohnNP, on Jan 28 2009, 05:10 PM, said:

I guess my thread has now been well and truly hijacked :(

Profile website (under the T2 tab) says:
"ProFile Basic is professional tax software which features a long list of time-saving, productivity-enhancing features, including auto-updates, carry forwards, EFILE, unlimited returns and free technical support"

However this appears not to be true?

If Intuit has added efile/internet file to T2 basic in the latest release, perhaps somebody from Intuit would be kind enough to inform us if the product capabilities agrees with the published advertising claims or not?

[Easter1]

SPG,

Yes, we were on the same side!

Things are a little bit different for me this year.

The absence of Joe, and the realization that the next big step forward for my practise is not going to come from Profile, has led me to the conclusion that I have to step away and let the bells and whistle gang have at it!

Good Luck to all, see you whenever?

Easter (my given name!)

[Dink Meeker]

JohnNP, on Jan 28 2009, 08:10 PM, said:

I guess my thread has now been well and truly hijacked :(

Profile website (under the T2 tab) says:
"ProFile Basic is professional tax software which features a long list of time-saving, productivity-enhancing features, including auto-updates, carry forwards, EFILE, unlimited returns and free technical support"

However this appears not to be true?

If Intuit has added efile/internet file to T2 basic in the latest release, perhaps somebody from Intuit would be kind enough to inform us if the product capabilities agrees with the published advertising claims or not?

I agree with JohnNP, that the filing of the actual tax return should be a basic function and is not a bell or a whistle.

But, what concerns me is, how many people have purchased this product based on an advertised function that just doesn't exist when you download the software.

Does Intuit have any comment on this?????

[JohnV]

I'm with the corporate efile should be basic crowd...especially with the new regulations imposed by CRA...

As far as bells and whistles go, as has been said so many times in the past...I'd like to see Intuit release products without problems or known bugs..let them concentrate on that first.

[Dink Meeker]

Are there any mods or admins from Intuit on these boards? I think it would be in Intuit's best interest to respond to this thread. Is there misleading advertising on the web site or have we collectively misinterpreted the information?

Either way, this is not improving customer relations.

[spenceh]

Nathan@Intuit, on Feb 2 2009, 12:49 PM, said:

Hi, I think there is some confusion about the terminology here. "EFILE" is for T1 returns only. "Corporation (or Corporate) Internet Filing" is for T2 returns. This is based on the CRA's own terminology. Therefore, ProFile Basic does offer T1 EFILE, but does not currently offer Corporation Internet Filing for T2. The legislation quoted above does not come into effect until 2010; at this time, you are not required to submit T2 returns electronically. In light of this future requirement, I would expect that we will be re-evaluating this functionality in the Basic module.

As a T2 Basic User, I attempted an EFile to test the advertising and was taken to the place where under T2 OnePay for $199, I seem to have that ability. Three returns at that price and I might as well pay for Premier. :angry:

[JohnNP]

Nathan@Intuit, on Feb 2 2009, 11:49 AM, said:

Hi, I think there is some confusion about the terminology here. "EFILE" is for T1 returns only. "Corporation (or Corporate) Internet Filing" is for T2 returns. This is based on the CRA's own terminology. Therefore, ProFile Basic does offer T1 EFILE, but does not currently offer Corporation Internet Filing for T2. The legislation quoted above does not come into effect until 2010; at this time, you are not required to submit T2 returns electronically. In light of this future requirement, I would expect that we will be re-evaluating this functionality in the Basic module.

**
PER CRA:
Netfile: Convenient Internet Filing

EFILE is an automated service that permits those who prepare and file taxes on behalf of others to electronically file the current year income tax and benefit return to the CRA via the Internet.

Corporations that meet certain criteria can file their corporation income tax returns over the Internet
**


so, i may still be confused, but i shall attempt to clarify my understanding:

1) INTUIT has no current intention of providing electronic filing of t2 tax returns over the internet as a part of basic tax preparation and filing software until legislatively required to do so
and
2) when INTUIT says (under the Website T2 tab) "ProFile Basic is professional tax software which features a long list of time-saving, productivity-enhancing features, including auto-updates, carry forwards, EFILE, unlimited returns and free technical support",
the "EFILE" in the sentence does not refer to electronically filing tax returns over the internet, but that this T2 tab refers to some other kind of filing of some other kind of tax returns
(only if you go further to the "T2 product comparison chart" it identifies the difference there)